Bodog blocks poker information portals to save recreational players

Steven Stradbrooke
February 8, 2011
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bodog-blocking-information-portalsBodog Poker has unplugged itself from the Matrix. In a bid to preserve its reputation as a poker site that values recreational players, Bodog will no longer allow poker information portals to scrape listings from its site. Calling the scraping sites further evidence that “online poker is assisting its own demise,” Bodog Europe’s Patrik Selin is implementing systems to prevent the collection of data that he believes benefits only a small core of pro players.

“Nobody who is playing poker for fun visits these [tracking] sites, or even knows they exist,” explained Selin. “They exist only to serve professional players and therefore we will be implementing a series of online blockades to further protect the crucial leisure poker player.” The move is the latest in Selin’s campaign to persuade the industry that the narrow-minded focus on serving the needs of pro players is not only shortsighted but dangerous to continued growth.

To be clear, Bodog isn’t penalizing sharp players. They’re just ensuring that nobody gets to bring a gun to this knife fight. To the recreational player, online poker is a form of entertainment and there are many competitors for his entertainment dollar. If he’s immediately torn apart by sharks every time he enters an online poker room, he’ll inevitably decide there are better ways to spend that dollar, and the online poker business will continue its downward trajectory.

Scrubbing hand histories, preventing the use of heads-up displays, ending misguided rakeback schemes… In choosing to address the needs of recreational players and create a truly anonymous playing environment, Bodog Poker is laying down a trail that the entire online poker industry can use to guide itself out of the wilderness. With or without their technological crutches, pro players will still play online poker, and they’ll still win more than they lose. It’s why they’re called ‘pros’. But it’s recreational bettors that keep online poker in business. Fish in the sea are a renewable resource. Fish in a barrel are not.

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  • Fred.Rick

    That is how you caption a screenshot from poker scout site. Checkout their reviews from bodog poker and it seems that the last review was over or less than a month ago..(It was actually implemented before this article came out). Can you please keep us updated if this will salvage those casual/recreational players, whom treat online poker as an entertainment just as like before? Thank you..

    • http://CalvinAyre.com Calvin Ayre

      this is a long term process that will play out over the next 12 to 24 months. The results are open to debate now so fire away. The outcome will be very clear eventually and Patrik and his team are confident they are right…but the proof will take time.

      I am not clear on your point on what was implemented before the article came out, but if you mean Patrik initiated the blocking before announcing it, you are correct…if did happen a few weeks back as I understand it in talking to some of his poker guys.

      Thanks for reading our site. This is going to be an exciting year ahead in poker given the obvious environmental flux in play.

      • Fred.Rick.Rake

        Indeed a brilliant strategy & a trendsetter (Hands down to the “big-suede” & team for this). With all due respect sir, we are all awed with your bold predictions, but I have to ask this (out of inquisitiveness), is that WHAT IF all (or most) of the poker industry trail to this approach? Just to save their poker rooms being labeled as “Were going out of Business” ;-)

        • http://CalvinAyre.com Calvin Ayre

          Its my personal opinion that the next two years will see a major restructuring in the global poker industry and that all companies will have to end up in a similar spot. The one thing that has not been pointed out is that the one or two big poker rooms will become a thing of the past with these changes, there will end up being more smaller poker rooms all with some appeal to different segments of the recreational market.

          The pro's will still be there but will have to work harder.

  • Bonflizubi

    Calvin- Are these guys trying to be idiot savants or did they actually do market research studies of recreational players? (And ones that didn't pre-taint they answers with leading questions about huds, tracking sites etc.?)

    I'm NOT one of the rec players. ( I am, well, I suppose I WAS a tournament regular for the longest time.)
    But I've never spoken with any recreational player that was all up in arms about these things to the point where they decide not to play. Most, if they complain at all, are afraid of the RNG/ their funds – and THAT is what keeps them from playing online.

    While I am against the PTR's of the world selling hand histories, I'm not sure what purpose the rest of this serves?

    -Not providing a readable HH in-game? Those are just as useful to a regular as a rec player. No advantage their. There is a reason every site on the planet provides them – and the one bodog provides is not usable, and even in it's old state it wasn't scrapeable or usable by the HEMS and pokertrackers of the world.

    -Blocking pokerscout? That one seems only a move to let the industry not know that the poker room is a sinking ship at bodog, as it has been for a long time. There is no single player that goes to the pokerscout listings to get an edge. Perhaps to yank there money off a site when they see its base shrinking… though that only confirms what they already knew from seeing noone at the tables.

    -Blocking Sharkscope and the pokerdb? Again, as the article even stated, the rec players and fish don't even know those things exist in most cases. And given there is between some and near complete free access to those tools for non-paying customers, what's the big deal? You can't table select in MTT's for one…so no edge there… and in tournament play, the rec player is ultimately getting crushed anyway – in about the same amount of time, pokerdb or no.

    The one reason I CAN think of for blocking those sites is really more a monitoring of chat problem – that players sometimes call each other out and that can be a bad thing certainly. But your room has the most hyper-active chat filters built in already, you think they might look for stat-banging in the chat and censor/suspend chat for players that use that info. Chat abusers are the problem here, not the sites.

    Lastly, in the midst of attempting all that they are… they bungle the software updates every time. Do they have merely ideas yet no quality control? No other poker site that I can think of is consistently as poor in regards to SW changes and QA. I can't remember one update that ever got it right the first time. I'd suggest that in the midst of a hiring spree and visionary* thought they actually learn about execution of strategy, not merely the concept of it.

    I'd be interested in your opinion. I've made most of the money I've ever made in the bodog room, yet see it go further down the tubes as the months and years pass… and the player base dries up… and the tournament offerings get poorer. And I hate to see it wither and die and alienate current players. I'd much rather see some sensible ideas on how to make it flourish.

    • http://CalvinAyre.com Calvin Ayre

      Wow…thats a lot of emotion for a guy who thinks their strategy is not effective. What Patrik and his team seem to be doing from where I sit is to apply their stated philosophy to their poker room. I do know from seeing their reports that the profits per volume and the volume itself are both rising, so you are not correct in your assumptions related to the impact since they are trending against the industry right now…which is unusual for anyone but the big two who are taking market share from others in the industry.

      I can assure you they are not idiot savants or magicians…they are studied analysts of the poker industry, are saying what they think publicly under their own name and then putting their money where there mouths are. The rest of the industry is seems to be just crying and hoping that things will return to the glory days.

  • jp

    As a recreational player myself, I think it's a great idea. HUD's and scrapers caused me to leave the “Big 2″ and move to another network that allows players to change their screen names weekly. With that network on the decline, I'm moving my funds back to Bodog. It's nice to see a poker company acknowledge the recreational player base.

  • usernamed

    Bonflizubi – I thinm the point you're missing here is that recreational playrers aren't up in arms about these, no. As the original statement says they don't even know about them. What they are sick of is turning up to have a bit if fun, losing very quickly & thinking 'poker suks, I'll try sports betting or masterbating instead.'

    Poker is the loser if it continues to help the pros and drive the fish away.

  • Jake

    I actually am a pro and at first I was annoyed by Bodog's stance as it seemed to go against me. After reading this article and thinking about the state of online poker and where it seems to be headed I feel like Bodog is doing a smart thing. The Big sites with RB schemes that reward only the high volume pros is not wise for the long term future of internet poker and is probability assisting in it's demise.

    • http://CalvinAyre.com Calvin Ayre

      I agree….the only way to keep poker healthy is to keep the net depositors happy. Its really that simple.

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